the amount of magic it would take to move that statue on its own... i dont know. it wouldnt be easy, thats for certain. using tech to move it couldnt be that much better, could it?
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org If the shai had magic, or any technology, we'd know it by now. But the statue doesn't have to be something they made.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org He said he'd seen the statue vanish and move, and in their lifetime, and that it was important. I'm fairly sure if I saw that thing move, _I'd_ remember. He could be misinterpreting. Could be.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org I don't want to see it move. And I don't want there to be something else here besides the shai.
civilizations dont just pop from nowhere. if there had been something else here, even something ancient, we would have seen something. ruins, other statues
FROM: anders@cdc.org
he says there were others, but i havent heard anyone report seeing one. i know i didnt. weve been all over this place, i dont believe we all just missed it
things dont just vanish. not without a lot of magic behind it. it was a memory, that doesnt make it reliable
FROM: anders@cdc.org
id believe that we overlooked some ruins before i believe we missed an entire other camp. even if they had the resources to somehow hide it from us, why would they? why not hide their statue too?
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org How am I supposed to know? They're aliens. Then again, maybe they do it with mirrors.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org But that's a thought. What if it wasn't a real statue at all? What if there's only one, and what the shai saw was a projection? They're _not_ clever.
that would make more sense. for some kind of definition of 'making sense'
FROM: anders@cdc.org
we can speculate all we want, but it doesnt make much difference without a why. we cant even know for sure if its something to be wary of, or something to take advantage of
you should be careful drawing any conclusions from what he tells you. not that hes not being honest, but dreams, memories... theyre too emotional. they dont fit the same way in our world
[It's difficult, trying to explain the Fade without the concept of the Fade to refer back to. He never had apprentices of his own, in the Circle.]
FROM: anders@cdc.org
if there is anything guarding them, it hasnt done a very good job so far. if we do find a way to use the statue, that might be the end of it
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org I'm not drawing conclusions. My imagination's running riot. There is a difference, you know.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org All we _know_ is that he saw a statue, it moved, it disappeared. Which suggests either that it wasn't a statue at all, or some vast technology.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org Something to bear in mind. I'm sure the CDC, to take a current example, wouldn't blink twice at making a statue disappear. What's a small rock after a large rock?
we dont even know any of that for sure. thats what im trying to say
FROM: anders@cdc.org
not that i dont think we should be paying attention to it. we should definitely be paying attention to it. but i dont think its everything he thinks it is. i dont know if that makes it better or worse
FROM: anders@cdc.org
the cdc picked it for the rendezvous, anyway. i would hope they at least looked at it before they did
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org Quite a coincidence, though, that there's only one of those statues and that we should be right by it. And a risk, too, with the mountains. We've already had one avalanche half-swallow the camp.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org I thought perhaps we were to take it with us when we left. Now - well, at least people will be more aware. If it does anything now, it'll be monitored. If we need to know we'll be told.
[That is, I'm not questioning; I'm not making trouble. It's not as if he's a scientist himself, after all, or in a position to study the thing; he's just being hypervigilant. But he'll be watching.]
[Ordinarily, he'd argue -- the CDC seem to do everything but tell the recruits the information they need to know -- but not here, on this monitored network. His paranoia, for once, justified.]
FROM: anders@cdc.org
id never say they arent thorough, anyway
FROM: anders@cdc.org
just have to wait and see what happens. if there is something else on this planet
[He won't know what to do, honestly. The only way he's been tolerating this is by the idea that they're not hurting innocents, just animals. Non-native would be better, from the options they've discussed.]
[But Simon tends to think their overseers just have a different definition of "need to know". They hand out only what information they see necessary, because they take obedience as a given, and they don't trust their recruits not to misuse what they're told.
The interpretation almost makes sense to him by now. Adults overseeing infants who need guidance. It almost doesn't infuriate him.]
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org I think so too. Watch your back, Anders. I'll do the same.
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yes. the statue? ive been reading it
[There's not much else Simon could mean, not with the timing.]
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The statue. [It couldn't be anything else at all.]
Enough to make me want to drop my rover somewhere safer. Like down by the waterfront with the sharks. Well, not really.
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yes, the sharks might not be as polite. at least the statue has the decency to cover its eyes
FROM: anders@cdc.org
though im not sure it matters. if what hes saying is true, anyway
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It hasn't moved yet. And he really might be wrong.
[But if he's not...]
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the amount of magic it would take to move that statue on its own... i dont know. it wouldnt be easy, thats for certain. using tech to move it couldnt be that much better, could it?
FROM: anders@cdc.org
do we really think the shai are capable of that?
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If the shai had magic, or any technology, we'd know it by now. But the statue doesn't have to be something they made.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
He said he'd seen the statue vanish and move, and in their lifetime, and that it was important. I'm fairly sure if I saw that thing move, _I'd_ remember. He could be misinterpreting. Could be.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
I don't want to see it move. And I don't want there to be something else here besides the shai.
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civilizations dont just pop from nowhere. if there had been something else here, even something ancient, we would have seen something. ruins, other statues
FROM: anders@cdc.org
he says there were others, but i havent heard anyone report seeing one. i know i didnt. weve been all over this place, i dont believe we all just missed it
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He said the statue vanished, remember. That could be why we don't see it.
Second - there's nothing _native_ here. But there's nothing to say it has to be. After all, _we_ aren't native to this place.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
What if we aren't the only ones here?
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things dont just vanish. not without a lot of magic behind it. it was a memory, that doesnt make it reliable
FROM: anders@cdc.org
id believe that we overlooked some ruins before i believe we missed an entire other camp. even if they had the resources to somehow hide it from us, why would they? why not hide their statue too?
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How am I supposed to know? They're aliens. Then again, maybe they do it with mirrors.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
But that's a thought. What if it wasn't a real statue at all? What if there's only one, and what the shai saw was a projection? They're _not_ clever.
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that would make more sense. for some kind of definition of 'making sense'
FROM: anders@cdc.org
we can speculate all we want, but it doesnt make much difference without a why. we cant even know for sure if its something to be wary of, or something to take advantage of
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Well, I asked him. It does seem what he saw was very vague. Not something to draw too many conclusions from.
You know, we can probably take advantage of the statue even if we need to mind it. Trick it in some way, if it is watching.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
God, I don't like the idea of some power guarding those insects.
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you should be careful drawing any conclusions from what he tells you. not that hes not being honest, but dreams, memories... theyre too emotional. they dont fit the same way in our world
[It's difficult, trying to explain the Fade without the concept of the Fade to refer back to. He never had apprentices of his own, in the Circle.]
FROM: anders@cdc.org
if there is anything guarding them, it hasnt done a very good job so far. if we do find a way to use the statue, that might be the end of it
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I'm not drawing conclusions. My imagination's running riot. There is a difference, you know.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
All we _know_ is that he saw a statue, it moved, it disappeared. Which suggests either that it wasn't a statue at all, or some vast technology.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
Something to bear in mind. I'm sure the CDC, to take a current example, wouldn't blink twice at making a statue disappear. What's a small rock after a large rock?
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we dont even know any of that for sure. thats what im trying to say
FROM: anders@cdc.org
not that i dont think we should be paying attention to it. we should definitely be paying attention to it. but i dont think its everything he thinks it is. i dont know if that makes it better or worse
FROM: anders@cdc.org
the cdc picked it for the rendezvous, anyway. i would hope they at least looked at it before they did
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Quite a coincidence, though, that there's only one of those statues and that we should be right by it. And a risk, too, with the mountains. We've already had one avalanche half-swallow the camp.
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
I thought perhaps we were to take it with us when we left. Now - well, at least people will be more aware. If it does anything now, it'll be monitored. If we need to know we'll be told.
[That is, I'm not questioning; I'm not making trouble. It's not as if he's a scientist himself, after all, or in a position to study the thing; he's just being hypervigilant. But he'll be watching.]
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FROM: anders@cdc.org
id never say they arent thorough, anyway
FROM: anders@cdc.org
just have to wait and see what happens. if there is something else on this planet
[He won't know what to do, honestly. The only way he's been tolerating this is by the idea that they're not hurting innocents, just animals. Non-native would be better, from the options they've discussed.]
well find out soon enough
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The interpretation almost makes sense to him by now. Adults overseeing infants who need guidance. It almost doesn't infuriate him.]
FROM: wilson.simon@cdc.org
I think so too. Watch your back, Anders. I'll do the same.
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dont I always
FROM: anders@cdc.org
let me know if you hear anything new
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I'll be sure to.